- the gchat sessions -

This Week, Audy and Elvin discuss the brawny John Wick, if there is a franchise forming and its place upon action films.
Also they discuss how the box office wasn't receptive to John Wick, and how that might not that bad as you think. 

 Audy:  “Yeah, I’m thinking I’m back” - John muthafuckin wick homey, so how we do we feel about the movie?

 Elvin:  Man..Can i get a prequel and a sequel?

Audy:  At the same time lol - what did you think about the movie?

Elvin:  I’m going to give it 3 and a quarter solid stars and hell making a small deduction for being a little short on time and so bad ass that I wanted more

Audy:  What did you like about it man, specifically?

Elvin:  first, the music really added to the story..I mean it’s not Hans Zimmer level, but it worked perfect for the story second, there really wasn’t a whole lot of dialogue but what was there was perfect mix of serious and humor like they just acted without words and it said more than if they were speaking

and the action..Damn if i was writing a tagline, it would be “Neo finally came to the real world”

Audy:  Man I wholeheartedly agree

I give it 3.0 stars and a fuck yeah - this is a walking & talking “Esquire Magazine” action film - I mean how banging was the Club scene with the song beats synced up with him blastin’ off dudes faces?

 Elvin:  fuck yes man reminded me a bit of that scene in the second matrix where they are about to go into the club

Audy:  You know I'm a bigger fan of second Matrix than most people, it’s much better than people give its credit for I really loved the humor and self awareness

Elvin:  Exactly my I said I really want a prequel because there seemed to be so much mystery about the group and their rules and procedures and the Continental

Audy:  LOL, I mean my man went fucking H.A.M. cuz they killed his fucking dog!!

Elvin:  Its like my man shorty died (fine ass Brigette Moynihan) and then in two days you steal his car and kill his parts of the movie were when people were like you did you know what.. you did and to who?..even the Russian kids dad was like oh fuck

Audy Yeah - that is what also separated this movie than others - it was the workmanlike day to day energy you see, like the real business decisions and world you have to abide by - the code if you will. The bad guys were scared of Wick, but they still had a job to do its usually the other way around where is the good guy afraid of the bad guys but, not this time

 Elvin: Russian dude was torn he didn’t want to give up his son but he didn’t want to feel that repercussions..

Audy:  The Russian dude was funny as a muthafucker he had me dying in the whole film

What didn't you like about it man?

Elvin:  honestly..only real thing was just that it was short for an action movie..

Audy yeah - It was fine as far as the length because I could tell taht cause Stunt Doubles were the directors of this, and the script was real basic, which was fine - What did you think of Keanu? Considering his line of work recently?

 Elvin:  Definitely the best thing he has done in years..I kinda liked the Man of Tai Chi he did, 47 Ronin was just not that good..but he def needs to do more things like this..guess he part of the over 50 club of badassness with Denzel and Liam

Audy:  Basically, what worked in this film with him, the material?

Elvin:  I think it drew from his fighting skill, stuff he learned in Matrix..probably some of the stuff he has done the past few years when he was mostly MIA

Audy:  Well it’s never the action that is in question with Keanu - It’s that when directors ask more from him to emote, you are not going to get an effective Keanu. I loved him in this movie because he was essentially a man with no name - cept for his is John Wick. I mean he reminded me of those early Clint Eastwood movies archetype the silent Cowboy, says little with his words, but speaks volumes with his actions what do you think?

Elvin:  oh i agree..the strong silent kind of character..i definitely picked up early on he was going to speak few words but carry a big ass whooping stick

Audy:  right keep him limited emotionally but let his stoic-ness, if that's a word, play off the comedy and the players around him.

What did you think of the other people like Dafoe, our buddy Alfie Allen from GOT etc

Elvin:  it was a pretty well rounded cast..basically everyone was someone i knew..not really super mega stars but all played their parts perfectly

Audy:  I love Ian McShane and Defoe

Elvin:  yes..i give Defoe my MVP I did think he was gonna try to sell out his boy but then you see he really had his least one person value friendship above money..oh and i also love how the movie just ends, not with a tease like oh we want to do a sequel..but fuck I want more john wick

Audy:  Dafoe was good, he was Defoe, but it’s not only his character that made his role worth it, it was what it represented, him McShane, Iguzamo all of them even the guy from those insurance commercials, it makes sense cause the movie didn't take its message seriously, as it took the action. My MVP is the father he was brilliant

Elvin:  yeah he had a lot of balls..especially at the end, like did you really think you were gonna win a one on one battle with John with nothing more than a knife

Audy:  Right it was like come-on and I'm not mad at the lack of a quality opponent because moves were done in a real time reality -  So why didn't anyone see this movie you think?

Elvin:  well I think Keanu has been out the mainstream for a bit..

Audy But it’s not like Keanu is a complete stranger, yes he had dipped since Matrix - but that can't be it. This movie, like Edge of Tomorrow deserved better don't you think?

Elvin:  I do think so especially with its rotten tomato rating maybe word of mouth will help

definitely exceeded my expectation

Audy:  true, I feel we are at a shift in moviegoers where the millenlienal generation is now dominating box office receipts. And everything now is Franchise driven especially with Superheroes - I feel people want more of a guaranteed thing nowadays. Do you agree with that man?

Elvin:  True it’s all about getting good numbers and getting repeat business..but i am seeing more of a trend this fall with movies that are lower budget with big name stars that are killing it lower more profitable films should be the new trend - like Birdman I want to see alot

Audy: Yeah saw Birdman. Birdman is an arthouse movie that conceits as a big budget film of the very genre is destroys critically in the film of commercialism v. true art

I feel with Wick man, one hand it saddens me cause I like to see people watch good movie's compared to the bullshit 'The Judge' with Robert Downey but then another part makes me feel like I'm in this cool underground, skull and crossbones club that exclusively supports and knows about only Wick you know?

Elvin:  Yeah true that

Audy:  So where do you think Wick will stand in the action genre say in five years, what is this movie's legacy?

Elvin:  box office numbers I don’t think it’s gonna do too much higher in the US..maybe one of those that makes more money overseas..but perhaps it gets life when it hits dvd..gains a cult following

Audy:  I won't say this is Raid Redemption but pretty damn close man so what do you give it ultimately?

Elvin:  I’ll stick with my 3 1/4  absolutely hell yeah..please movie gods give us more wick

Audy:  I'm going to give it a 3 out of 4 "SICK WICKS" and a hell yeah
- the gchat sessions -

This week Audy and Elvin discuss the mediation of the dichotomous struggle between
commercialism and metallic phallic aggressiveness of Transformers: Age of Extinction.

Audy:  so yeah transformers I like your term "Beyhem" that to me was classic

Elvin:  I think dude has shirts made that say that
he knows exactly what he is doing

Audy:  I think he is our chiseled, oiled up douchebag director, he has built his corner on that

Elvin:  and it works not many others can do that

Audy:  I don't think it works man, he is a hack, he doesn't care to be daring or intelligent, he just wants to cater to dumb, low input self gratifying work

Elvin:  but i think it works because he accepts that is who he is..You have some film makers who claim they are artists and try to do all this stuff and it sucks..but he’s like I’m just trying to blow shit up and make it looks cool, i dont care so much about story..not saying its right but at least he isn’t trying to be something he isn’t

Elvin:  he is laughing to the bank..15% RT review, 100 million in the bank in the US..fuck i wouldnt give a damn either..well i lie i probably would lol

Audy:  Yeah money is one cathartic justification, and again, that's fine. But he's a hack, and he is uncreative in every which way. Lets face it, that franchise sells itself, it’s a toy line, kids need a movie to go to in the summer so a lot of that has to do with the Brand and not Michael Bay. Sit here and blow shit up, come up with corny ass jokes, lack of depth and dimension in your films does not justify that he isn't a hack. I can come up with a movie and blow shit up. He has a certain visual eye, I will give him that and my favorite movie of his Bad Boys is a classic but his filmography is shit, money or no money and if he is happy with only 8 year old kids loving his money than more props to him

Elvin:  I see your point..i agree its that level of what you are happy with and his is way lower than some people.  In a different persons hands it could be so much more amazing..maybe one day ill have the knowledge and technique to be a director and do my own reboot

Audy:  exactly
I did still get a thrill when the autobots transform

Elvin:  did you like the new transformation ones?

Audy:  nah

Elvin:  thank you lol

Audy:  I like Goodman

Elvin:  yes..he was my VIP of the movie

Audy:  Hmmm that's a good one I would have to agree he is the MVP of the movie
I will bring that up on the Podcast tomorrow

Elvin:  yeah i think that should be an ongoing part of reviews/critique like who was the VIP/slept on person of the Quicksilver in the Xmen movie

Audy:  right
I think my MVP's in no particular order is John Goodman, Quicksilver, and Bill Paxton from Edge

Elvin:  I would agree on all three of those..and I would add Ice Cube from 22 Jump Street as well

Audy:  Yes Ice Cube or the random guy in the room during the final battle between Jonah Hill and the girl

 Elvin:  Oh and Bingbing Li can GetGet It

Audy:  LMAO
She was rocking the shit wasn't she

Elvin:  OMG i think im in love lol

Audy:  I hear that man so what else did you walk away with from the movie

Elvin:  I thought it was great that Optimus killed Kelsey at the end. I don't think I've ever seen Optimus so angry. I loved that

Audy:  i thought Mark Wahlburg was solid and held the movie down when he didn't have to do comedic bits in the beginning of the movie. I thought the movie really gelled when tucci, wahlburg, both kids and John Goodman and Optimus was trying to get the Dinobots, that 20 min sequence was the movie at its best. And I thought the Daughter was good. I liked her and she was tough and not fake or entitled

Elvin:  So def a step up from Megan Fox and Shia?

Audy:  I feel a big step up from Fox - She was more approachable, more down to earth and there was an eagerness and again she showed heart Thumbs up on the girl and in fact she is your star for the next two

Elvin:  I was blown when funny dude from Silicon Valley died. I like him

Audy I like him too but he was I felt really annoying, like again that's my critque about Bay and the screenwriting, like TJ Miller got comedic skills, and Bay didn't bother using Miller to his strengths as an acerbic, smart, confident smart ass - he was reduced to a fucking punchline. You know how you can't believe Wahlburg is a inventor? Well I can't believe TJ Miller as a witless imbecile

Elvin:  Good point. He could have just been left behind. He might have been a good addition in the future sequels for some comic relief

Audy:  right the brilliance of Miller is that he looks like a World of Warcraft nerd, but then he has all of this misguided charisma and confidence and you're like this guy shouldn't be like this but then you buy into that - his persona I mean, the last person that could do that effectively was Jack Black in his heyday

Elvin:  Right. Another problem I had until I looked shit up was with The blue and green autobots. They seemed anti team fighting against bumblebee and hound and I'm like wtf is this dysfunctional family. Then I looked up that Drift was ex deception and I'm like ok I can kind of buy that then
They took a lot of stuff from the newer transformers cartoon and shit and me I prefer classics

Audy:  I think it could had really been Bumblebee, Hound, Prime and the Dinobots
thats all yo neeed

Elvin:  Yeah. I would have also kept Ratchet. Kill some of those other no name autobots from part 3 that were left

Audy:  see too much shit too many characters
Hound, Ratchet Bumblebee, and Prime with the Dinobots, Just the girl and stanley tucci for the good guys, Knockout alone - I liked him

Elvin:  Yeah I was feeling him. A man with a mission so to speak

Audy:  he was just bad ass with the night vision

Elvin:  I thought he was going to be Galvatron at first

Audy:  I don't think they need Galvatron
bring Galvatron at the end I mean he was an afterthought anyways

Elvin:  It ties back to the series. You need the Megatron essence. All he really did was reform and escape he really had no role in this other than setting up for the future.

Audy:  yeah but again Bay padded on too much time for him to become Galvatron. You could had just not focused so much on his return and his major plot piece that he was behind it and that he was the one that released the hounds to start a war in china. Keep is basic, keep it essential, more robots, bigger louder doesn't mean creatively better. Keep Megatron in the background looming like Voldamort in the harry potters, that like you said his presence is felt but we don't actually have to physically go through the motions of him cause that is taking less screen time away from a proper bad guy Knock out, he was the best villian out of the whole series

Elvin:  Yeah. More knock out less Galvatron. Hell you could have had knock out corrupt the human made transformers to start the war. Then teased that Galvatron was something more than just a puppet transformer. That was the other thing I was missing. Real deceptions. Couldn't we get some cybertron backups or something.